The Rambam counts a negative mitzvah #294 on the Beis Din not to punish one who is אנוס. The Ramban disagrees, it’s not a mitzvah, it is merely an exemption on the perpetrator from any punishment he cites a proof from the Gemorah that learns out from ולנערה לא תעשה דבר an exemption in a situation of אונס. In light of the aforementioned Rambam we understand that the Rambam also agrees that it is teaching us the exemption of אונס, however, there the commandment not to punish is necessary for the averot where one violates a commandment by not giving up their life [In other words, when it comes to other averot it’s not even considered an averah but regarding averot that one must give up their life it’s an averah with a פטור עונשין. (See Bais Yechezkal (Sarna) Ketubot siman 3.)]
When one is deathly ill and gets cured by medicine from avodah zarah the Rambam (ibid 5:6) says that the person gets punished. The Achronim ask why is it different from being forced by a gentile where there is no punishment? They differentiate between one who is forced by a gentile, where the person isn’t willingly serving avodah zarah, the person chooses to do the averah but it against his/her will as opposed to the sick person that willingly takes the medicine (see Kovetz Ha’arot #49.) We see that in regarding other averot that one doesn’t have to give up their life, the petur of deathly sick is from וחי בהם but being forced by someone else would have an additional petur of אונס. What’s the difference? Regarding a gentile in his/her 7 commandments. They would have an exemption of אונס and wouldn’t have to give up their life (see Rambam Melachim 10:2) but they wouldn’t be able to benefit from אבר מן החי even if they are deathly ill because they have no din of וחי בהם (Minchas Chinuch 296:3.)
where is the tos. which says this סברא? sanhedrin?
ReplyDeleteAlso what is the סברא for such a thing. If השם says to do something, why would one not have to give up one's life to fulfill it? I understand that there can be גזירת הכתוב or even a logic behind that גזירת הכתוב but how is that the סברא חיצונה. Is it the same סברא that one would say after the דרשה of וחי בהם? That ה' values נפש בישראל more than the קיום המצוה a סברא פשוטה?
doesn't the piece from the second paragraph contradict the first. The second implies that there would have been a punishment for violating those mitzvos which one is required to sacrifice life were it not for the extra pasuk of ולנערה more so than other mitzvos. Acc. to the first paragraph the פטור of ולנערה is applicable to the actual issur and one only violated the additional ונקדשתי upon which there is no punishment mentioned
ReplyDeleteSooy, forgot to put in the daf, bottom Tosfos Sanhedrin 74b.
ReplyDeleteI will add it into the post
I was also thinking that the ideas don't go hand in hand but I'm not sure for yes its a different kind of petur that its included in the petur of ולנערה but at the end of the day it is . I leave it to the reader to decide