The Gemorah (Sanhedrin 71a) brings
an opinion that ben sorrer u’moreh never happened, rather its written to
learn and receive reward. Why does the
Torah have to pick a special example to give us something to learn when there
is all the Torah to learn? Rav Yisroel
Salanter (letter 31 in Or Yisroel) explains that this is an example which
teaches us the rule. The point of
learning Torah is not to arrive at a conclusion of action but rather the
learning itself is sacred. Therefore,
the Torah gives us an example of learning where there is no practical outcome. Rabbenu Bechai suggests another
approach. He says the Torah wrote the
parsha to teach us the extent of ahavas Hashem. The parent’s love for Hashem must be so great
that it will even override their natural close love for their son and they will
personally kill him.
The Gemorah (ibid) cites the opinion of Rab Yonasan that he sat on the grave of a ben sorrer umoreh. Why would he do this strange action? Does he mean to argue with the opinion that it never happened, what’s the machlokes, it’s a mitzious, either it happened or didn’t? Why would the Torah set up the laws of ben sorrer umoreh in a way to make it impossible? Rav Wolfson explains bederech derush that the Torah comes to teach us that the logic of מות זכאי ואל ימות חייב (Rashi 21:18) has no application because anyone can do teshuva and steer clear of the path of guilt. The Gemorah says it was written derush lekabal secar. Derush can mean to search like dirshu Hashem, the parsha teaches that a person can always do teshuva no matter how far off the trajectory he seems. Rav Yonasan isn’t arguing on the first opinion, he’s supporting it. The grave Rav Yonason sat on, was the grave of someone who was on the ben sorrer path but subsequently did teshuva and then became such a tzaddik that I (Rav Yonasan speaking) became a tanna because of the help of his neshama. (Based upon the Arizal that sometimes by sitting near the grave of a tzaddik you get helped by their neshama.)
The Gemorah Sanhedrin (88a) says that the parents can forgive the ben sorrer and this gets him off the hook. The Shem M'Shmuel (5671) asks, the ben sorrer is a societal risk, so why does the parent’s forgoing of his wrong deeds get him off the hook, how does that keep society safe? He explains that the reason why a Jew has the power of teshuva is because s/he is connected to the Avos and therefore his/her soul at the core is pure; it just needs the dirt of the averos removed. The reason why the ben sorrer is guaranteed to become liable of death is because he has lost the connection to his parents, the connection back to the Avos, and therefore won’t do teshuva. However, as long as the connection remains, if the parents acknowledge their connection, then teshuva is possible and there is no guarantee that he will become guilty and therefore must be spared.
The Gemorah has a derash on the words annenu shomauh bikolanu that the parents must be able to hear to exclude deaf mutes. The derash is difficult for the word shomea is referring to the son, not to the parents? Rav Zilberstein (Alenu Le’shabach) explains that the son will listen to the parents only if he sees them heeding their own words. If they can’t hear their own words, then he won’t listen.
The Gemorah in Sanhedrin (71a) says that if the meat and wine that the ben sorrer is eating is that of a mitzvah he doesn’t become a ben sorrer. The Toseftah in Negaim (6:2) says that there was no law of ben sorrer in Yerushalim and has a derash to support this law. The Meshech Chachma explains that is because most of the eating done in Yerushalim was from kodshim and therefore was an eating of mitzvah. We see from here the power of a little kedusha, even though this kid is acting like a ben sorrer since his eating is that of kedusha it will not lead head him down a bad path.
The Gemorah (ibid) cites the opinion of Rab Yonasan that he sat on the grave of a ben sorrer umoreh. Why would he do this strange action? Does he mean to argue with the opinion that it never happened, what’s the machlokes, it’s a mitzious, either it happened or didn’t? Why would the Torah set up the laws of ben sorrer umoreh in a way to make it impossible? Rav Wolfson explains bederech derush that the Torah comes to teach us that the logic of מות זכאי ואל ימות חייב (Rashi 21:18) has no application because anyone can do teshuva and steer clear of the path of guilt. The Gemorah says it was written derush lekabal secar. Derush can mean to search like dirshu Hashem, the parsha teaches that a person can always do teshuva no matter how far off the trajectory he seems. Rav Yonasan isn’t arguing on the first opinion, he’s supporting it. The grave Rav Yonason sat on, was the grave of someone who was on the ben sorrer path but subsequently did teshuva and then became such a tzaddik that I (Rav Yonasan speaking) became a tanna because of the help of his neshama. (Based upon the Arizal that sometimes by sitting near the grave of a tzaddik you get helped by their neshama.)
The Gemorah Sanhedrin (88a) says that the parents can forgive the ben sorrer and this gets him off the hook. The Shem M'Shmuel (5671) asks, the ben sorrer is a societal risk, so why does the parent’s forgoing of his wrong deeds get him off the hook, how does that keep society safe? He explains that the reason why a Jew has the power of teshuva is because s/he is connected to the Avos and therefore his/her soul at the core is pure; it just needs the dirt of the averos removed. The reason why the ben sorrer is guaranteed to become liable of death is because he has lost the connection to his parents, the connection back to the Avos, and therefore won’t do teshuva. However, as long as the connection remains, if the parents acknowledge their connection, then teshuva is possible and there is no guarantee that he will become guilty and therefore must be spared.
The Gemorah has a derash on the words annenu shomauh bikolanu that the parents must be able to hear to exclude deaf mutes. The derash is difficult for the word shomea is referring to the son, not to the parents? Rav Zilberstein (Alenu Le’shabach) explains that the son will listen to the parents only if he sees them heeding their own words. If they can’t hear their own words, then he won’t listen.
The Gemorah in Sanhedrin (71a) says that if the meat and wine that the ben sorrer is eating is that of a mitzvah he doesn’t become a ben sorrer. The Toseftah in Negaim (6:2) says that there was no law of ben sorrer in Yerushalim and has a derash to support this law. The Meshech Chachma explains that is because most of the eating done in Yerushalim was from kodshim and therefore was an eating of mitzvah. We see from here the power of a little kedusha, even though this kid is acting like a ben sorrer since his eating is that of kedusha it will not lead head him down a bad path.
Just a הערה. You mention at one point Why ould the torah set up the laws of בן סורר ומורה in a way to make it impossible? That is a little inaccurate. The gemara just says that it is improbable. The gemara uses such an expression with regard to עיר הנידחת according to the opinion that there is no din עיר הנידחת if there are any כתבי הקודש in the whole city. Its not impossible, just unlikely. The hagahos habach however does seem to say that it is impossible. see however the yad ramah who clearly does not. כן מסתבר מדברי הגמ' בתחילת הפרק שהקשה על דרשת הגמ' למעט בנו של קטן מדין בן סורר ממה שאי אפשר להיות במציאות בנו של קטן שקטן אינו מולידץ
ReplyDeleteJust because not everyone agrees doeant mean it's inaccurate.
DeleteThe דם משמואל seems to be contradicting that which you write in a later piece and you quote a piece from your father that there is a certain part of the neshama which is not corruptible. Should it not follow that this incorruptible part should enable one to do teshuva?
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